that is a sensibility that kerry and his buddies, you know, who have some of his buddies have what they call a game, which is basically basketball and smoking dope. you know, just be cool and that is part of hawaii. it is part of their east formative years. and he's always had that. another aspect to it is more developed areas they did, i would say, to politics, which is that in this country and all of its racial dynamics and explosiveness, a black person wants to rise in politics has to stay cool. unfortunately it's just part of the mandate of this country. >> how much pot smoking did the president do? >> he doesn't read them particulars about that. you know, the whole notion of bill clinton saying never inhaled. when jay leno asked him about it. without going overboard, may book documents it pretty thoroughly. that's what they did. he has a thing called ta, total absorption which meant not only did you inhale, but everything in the car when you're smoking it. and so that was part of his existence during that period. postcode david maraniss, winded dairy become barack? >> guest: it was